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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Burning Out Dangers

A bone I have to pick with certain years... the "overplaying" of certain songs. Since 87 vs 72 was brought up (and I'm not making the case that 87 is better, merely that 72 isn't without fault), and I'm listening to a lot of it recently... there is fault to be had.
Case in point, 86 shows in 1972.

I call to the stand:
TN Jed, 57 times, 66%
MAMU, 76 times, 88%
Mexicali, 55 times, 63%
PITB, 80 times! 93%
China>Rider, 65 times, 75%
OMSN, 51 times, 59%
Truckin', 60 times, 69%
Sugaree, 62 times, 72%
Promised Land, 56 times, 65%
BTW, 75 times, 87%
BIODTL, 64 times, 74%
GDTRFB, 69 Times, 80%
Sugar Magnolia, 73 Times, 85%


OK, I love most of these songs. However, if you stay in this year too long, do you not burn out on it? What does this say about the year?
Many of these songs continued their frequency in the coming couple of years as well, does this impact your listening to 72-4?

Personally, I have to jump around, throw in Brent shows, the occassional Vince, and of course... other bands.

EDIT: Fixed and added to!

This post was modified by kochman on 2014-01-31 23:00:44

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 31, 2014 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

I bought the deluxe Europe 72 box. Some of the shows are incredible but... but... I feel like a bunch of the first sets were just the same stuff each night. Not to say that I won't listen to one and love it, it's just that I can see your point. That said, I'd much rather have anything from '72 than most anything in '87 (although I was "on the bus" in '87 and in 1972 was probably playing my cut out Bobby Sherman/Bobby Goldsboro '45 cut off the back of a box of cereal).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 31, 2014 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Wow. Cut-out 45's! That brings back memories. Can't be sure, but I have some dim memory of having a copy of "Snoopy and the Red Baron" in that format. Not exactly flac, but not to bad if you're 6.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Feb 2, 2014 1:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

" I feel like a bunch of the first sets were just the same stuff each night".

they were.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Yes, I'm coming to a burn out point now, in my project to rate the top 30 shows of the era.
I approached it by doing one a day, 4-5 days/wk at work. Even while skipping through the years, I think I need to slow it down.

I look forward to finishing anyhow, I've listened to, since December or November (not sure when I started), 50 of the 123 nominated shows...

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Poster: the bells of heaven rang Date: Jan 31, 2014 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

A bone I have to pick with certain years...
Case in point, 86 shows in 1972...
I call to the stand:

Row Jimmy, 46 times, 53%

Koch, once an idiom, always an idiotic idiot !!!

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Yes, correct, 63 times in 1973, out of 73 shows: 86%
I'm glad I could make you feel better about yourself through negativity.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Feb 1, 2014 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

I have sometimes thought that one of the reasons these songs were played so well, in the favored eras of their career, is they were played a lot ! I wonder at what point that they decided to try to not play the same song two nights in a row ? Was it 78 ? The most highly esteemed period of the band, is the 68-79 period, when there was much duplication, nigh to night, and as good as these shows are . bluedevil mentions the E72 set, and, while it was fun to go through the tour to hear how they evolved , the identical sounding 1st set sort of songs, got to be a little tedious . It is intellectually interesting to go though shows chronologically, but it can make you tired of songs, that you might otherwise like .
The "jump around" method is what I also practice, since I don't dislike any of eras .

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 31, 2014 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

How about Samson & Delilah in 76. Played at every show but one. Before that one show one of the guys must have thrown a fit saying he just couldn't do it again.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 2:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Bobby would not have been the fit thrower most likely!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 31, 2014 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Already crispy

Could you maybe not re-edit your original post and bump yourself to the top of the page?

total number of posts on this thread: 17
number of selfies: 8
47%

E- You are here on sufferance. Go gently.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 31, 2014 9:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Already crispy

I don't understand the 'selfie' bit either. One can't respond to comments to a thread?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 31, 2014 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

I think if one knows that re-editing bumps ones thread to the top, and that thread has, shall we say, a higher percentage of selfies then most and then most importantly you combine that with a poster who has a ... difficult history here, it's all a bit much. I could hunt down the post I made to the admin's when CH's personal information was posted, but why bother? Those who perch here know the deal.

It sure would be nice to see CH's handle. More power to him if he decides to post, but I get why he doesn't and it bums me out.

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 1, 2014 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

I'm sorry to see you can't let go of stuff, that didn't involve you, from over 4 years ago. I apologized, and as you know, my personal stuff was posted as well.

Yep, I'm a war veteran... it messed me up, I have PTSD, and I was going through a divorce 4 years ago. The internet was a venting point. I can own that. I wish the PTSD part never happened, but it did. I've also apologized repeatedly.
Glad to see such nice empathy, now that I've gotten back up and am playing nice.

Are there any other unspecified rules that apply only to me?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 1, 2014 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

Don't sweat it--I think most everyone has moved on; post to the post, and all that good stuff...I think it's actually amazing that you posted using the same name (you could've just re-arrived, eh?). Everybody, CLIFF included, has taken themselves too seriously around here at some time or another, and we've all battled demons (service related, having Dire for a friend, and self-inflicted--mine, for example--and so on), I am sure...a little empathy and sympathy (as micah would agree) is a good idea.

Just don't forget that the T-34 played a huge role, and it was all downhill from Stalingrad.

;)

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 1, 2014 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

Thanks Tell, and yes, everyone has had their cross to bear.

I could have just re-arrived, but that's part of it, part of owning how I was.

And, I'm going for my master's in History.

I still think that the Tiger II, had the Germans been able to effectively field it, was vastly superior. I guess that's part of what made it inferior, though...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 1, 2014 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: buried

This is the first time I have seen such a post from you. I sure hope eyes that really need to read those words will be able to. I also hope your apology and acceptance of responsibility will begin to heal the damage done- and make no mistake there was and is.

I am compelled at this point to give way, and will do so. It is true that we all fall and do damage and our character is revealed in the getting back up. Please consider well never going back to that place were damaging someone online because they embarrassed you is an viable option. There aren't many rules here, but that surely is one.

E- Peace

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 1, 2014 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: buried

Thank you.
And believe me (or not) when I say, I was only kochman and suasponte (or however I spelled it!). It was a long time ago, a lot of work has been done since then.

I don't expect people to want to be the best man at my wedding overnight, but I do appreciate an honest re-evaluation.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Feb 1, 2014 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

I was thinking, why not take some direct action? You and skobud could start a new web site for "our GD stuff and The Archive patrons". Althea Rose could write a grant proposal. I could put together a new Radio Program at KRFC in Fort Collins, and maybe together we can make something good happen. Who wants to be The program Hosts and MCs, by phone or in person? Why? I can volunteer to engineer the new Radio Program broadcasting.

Avogadro's Number - "Avo's" - in Fort Collins is "where the people are friendly, the drinks are cold, and every seat is the best seat in the house!" They're located next to CSU main campus; they have lots of live music; they can hold two live concert venues, separately, at the same time - one indoors, one outdoors with covered patio; they have good food; they host community affairs there regularly. My first time in there was 1980. I live nearby there now. Avo's is directly across the street from KRFC. People from over there eat lunch at Avo's all the time.

I was a bit surprised when the first of the Avo’s Dead Jams began last year - for FREE (no cover charge). Dead Jams happen at Avogadro’s Number every other week. The weeknights vary for this. It starts at about 9pm or 10pm. A house band plays a short set to kick off the night, and to play a second short set midway through the jam. Players who have their own guitars and basses, and hand percussion or other small instruments are welcome to bring their instruments along, and a keyboard and drums are provided and there are guitars and basses already at the jam as well, if their owners can be persuaded to loan them for a song or two. The next Dead Jam will be Thursday, February 6, 2014. I'll talk to the Dead Jam musicians at Avo's about this, if anyone is interested. Community involvement is important (to me).

The new website you guys create could be the "portal" to the new Radio Program. Have a web page for showing who's "live" on the Radio show, who's hosting, and who are the other participants queing up by phone (or tape). I'm just making suggestions. You guys could come up with better ideas than mine. Your new web site could host Grant Proposal discussions for a GD documentary. It could host the interface for hooking up personalities to be guests on the new Radio Program. It could host GD music and the music scene in general. There's a big music scene in Colorado, and in Fort Collins, and we could have some of them on the Radio Program as guests. KRFC does this stuff all the time. People around the world can tune in, join the discussion, or just listen by streaming the KRFC program on the internet.

I have offered several roadmaps for this stuff on several occasions. I am willing to work with The Archive on integrating this concept into a friendly, fun, and innovative scene. Why not take it to fruition? Any thing is possible. My latest donation is my freaked-out hippie-essay about Ampex and my funky electronics career.

Can I get an Admin from The Archive to please delete this spam-attack on me?

This post was modified by Monte B Cowboy on 2014-02-01 21:51:43

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Feb 1, 2014 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

We're going to need a special rig of some type to do this. Something simple and flexible. This rig needs to deal with lots of audio sources, phone lines and noise, audio delays, microphones, or whatever. I doubt KRFC programmers can handle "all" of what we'd like to do. I think a setup and rig like this can "plug into the Radio station's audio board". This rig will comes with a bunch of expensive cables and connectors. The gear you see has been very well taken care of by professionals nearby my home. It's not "the best price" from Craigslist. It's just an example that shows how easy this shit is to do.

Monte_B_Cowboy-audio_gear_for_sale.jpg

part of this used gear covers most of it: Mackie board, four equalizers, and limiter - $2500 asking price
- you can sell the two amplifiers, crossover, DVD player, mp3 player, CD player, and other gear you see -
[ this gear is a professional setup for sale in Fort Collins ]



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Poster: Headstrung Date: Feb 1, 2014 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

Hey Koch, I agree with William Tell and I am glad to see you posting using your real name. I went through a divorce two years ago and realize how it messes with every aspect of someones life. If I remember the lot at shows was filled with all sorts of people not just my friends.

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 1, 2014 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: burnt

Yeah, I was definitely howling at the moon for a while! And thanks for your words.
Good analogy reading the lot!
The audience inside was quite diverse as well, I remember seeing classmates there who were from completely different social circles.
Now, extrapolate that across the WWW!

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Already crispy

No. My edit was purposeful, to correct incorrectness. It wasn't for glorification.

And you may want to re-think the use of the word "selfies"...

I also didn't know there was a limit to how often I should reply to people in a thread I originated.
Perhaps from now on I should post a topic and ignore anyone who wants to discuss it further?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 31, 2014 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

I'd rather listen to every single one of those repeats than a single shitty Brent song.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 31, 2014 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niYwil9A9oU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Vo_t7zbeQ

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

McDonald is awesome... let's not forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BsTF22SPyM

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 2, 2014 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

It's not that I don't like Brent. I like the way he plays the keys. I just don't like his songs. The point I'm making is that while there were indeed plenty of repeats in '72, at least you don't have to suffer through Brent's crappy songbook.

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 2, 2014 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Or Donna, or Vince. I get it.
I don't like a large percentage of Brent sung songs... and I get what you mean about re-listening to a bunch of hits (PITB) repeatedly rather than listen to a crappy song.

Remember when you couldn't just FFWD to the next song easily, because it was on a cassette? A totally different experience.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 2, 2014 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

At one point I had one of those cassette players that would recognize where the gaps were and would stop between tracks. That was such a revelation.

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 3, 2014 4:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Ha! Yes, that would have saved me many a BIODTL!

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Feb 1, 2014 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

I usually have a Cowboy bone to pick!the Panama Red dude looks similar to me

The Adventures of Panama Red came out in 1973 - fourth album by NRPS
the guy selling this audio gear is selling albums for one dollar each and I found two today

nrps_panama_red_adventures_front_640w.jpg

– Cover art: Lore and Chris –
Donna Jean sings on two tracks, but there's no Jerry appearances on this album at all? [ rear cover below ]

nrps_panama_red_adventures_rear_640w.jpg

below is cover art by Jim Evans for The Cowboys album

cowboy_guitar.jpg

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 31, 2014 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

The jury agrees with you - especially the cowboy songs, and BTW, which really isn't that great. (Surprising to see Row Jimmy that often.) You can hardly fault the band however - these are their bread'n'butter songs. China/Rider and PITB deserve their focus, while Truckin' filled coffers and paid the bills.

I tend to jump around years, but it's rare to spend any valuable listening time after 1978.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Yes, I don't really get tired of PITB because it offers a lot of difference between versions, and changes greatly through the era.

You are right, you can't fault the band. Their catalogue wasn't as extensive yet, that takes time. Go see any band's first tour, night after night...

Though I'm not a huge fan of Pigpen, he did do them the favor of bringing a whole different genre of song style to play.

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Poster: mklsgl Date: Jan 31, 2014 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

"Row Jimmy" was not played until 2/9/73.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 31, 2014 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Burning Out Dangers

Yes, I accidentally searched that under 1973... which I may have done for some others.

The point remains, thanks for spotting that!